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"The Bunker" WT Conventions 2016 (Gag Me)

by Poztate in

in the very near future the gang will be down in a bunker,cellar awaiting the police,military to break in and take them away to camps or executions .

(paranoid much) this is the foretold "prophecy" of the governments turning on religion and saving them for last.since the couple portrayed as simplifying their life by getting rid of a lot of material things is shown to be (about) the same age in the bunker we know it must be any minute now that it will happen.

i have been out for over 35 years and things seem to be getting more bizarre each year.. when did this doctrine really become main stream?

problemaddict 2

The "bunker series". I almost want to go, just so after something crazy I can stand up like......"I'm out!". Take off the tie and be like that is too batshit for me.

But......I'd have to go to do that.

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Someone anonymously tipped the elders?

by raven in

so here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.

anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.

and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?

problemaddict 2

Ravan,

Noone can say how this will go because it really depends on the elders. Truth is you should have never told your parents what you did. Once you tell people, you kind of open yourself up. But.....whats done is done, so here is my gentle advise IF you are trying to avoid the big D. If you don't care, you know what to do.

1) Your parents are going to put the org above you. Sad but true. Most of us would have done the same at one time. I personally would not tell them the truth. I would say you lied to them before. You don't live with someone. Or tell them you got married. None of anyones business. I don't know. Whatever you want to do.

2) They need 2 witnesses, and if they are going to use them, they have to be named. They cannot use "anonymous" witnesses. You always have the "right" to face your accuser. So just deny it. If nobody has your address, and you live an hour and a half away, deny it. Bothers call you, you can invite them to eet you at a starbucks 100 miles in your direction, to tell them no you don't live with anyone. Act harrassed. You haven't been to any meetings, aren't causing trouble, and don't appreciate being "policed". You know they love you and want to help you and you have their number.

3) Stay away from loaded language or direct questions like "do you want to be a JW anymore"? Answer I have been a JW all my life, I will let you guys know if I would like your help. DOn't be tricked into it, simply deny the allegations, and if they won't even provide the name of the accuser, it has no validity. Explain, you would like to be left alone, and you consider this bordering on harassment. You aren't bothering anyone, and live far away. this is causing you undue stress, and you don't appreciate it.

Anyways.....there is my 2 cents.

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Making fun of an elder, CO or GB'er, would it be considered brazen conduct or some other WT sin?

by oppostate in

would making fun of an elder, co or governing body member, be considered brazen conduct or some other wt sin, like apostasy?

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is it an actionable judicial matter, even?.

problemaddict 2

I was once counseled for "not respecting Lordship" in regards to the decision making of the elders.

This guys hated me. If he could have done more he would have. The meeting didn't go as he liked (there were 4 elders in it....long story), but lets just say it ended with a quick lecture on Jesus words regarding the Pharisees "lording it over the flock" and his ignorance as to what the original language and intend of jesus words were. Then a cherry on top of it really doesn't matter what you think, you don't qualify to be an elder, and are a stain n the congregation.

I walked out. No reproof, no nada.

Sometimes we forget that you cannot legislate opinion.

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"Hope for what we do not see" - Review

by problemaddict 2 in

i give it 3 thumbs down.. the video starts with an ambulance in peru.

the ambulance people look at an id and a no blood card in spanish.. quick flash away to now and a happy family of a couple with 2 young boys.

all good kids it collages their everyday life, all centered around theocratic activities.

problemaddict 2

The videos this year have really turned up the emotion. From the JW's in a bunker, to this one where the kids and grandpa die......it isn't even clear what they are trying to accomplish.

This has to seem so bizarre for outsiders. How would you explain some of this stuff to a bible study!?

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Make sure you have all your supplies for the upcoming convention this year.

by James Mixon in

www.ministryideaz.com.

my local paper "convention--jehovah's witnesses meeting in long beach".. every year 150000 to 180000 hold their convention in l.b.

calif. start this weekend-sept.9-11.. not a lot of folks for the southern california convention, about 10000 people per weekend.. the sorry la lakers (basketball) draw more than that at their games..

problemaddict 2

You didn't need to drag the Lakers into this.

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"Hope for what we do not see" - Review

by problemaddict 2 in

i give it 3 thumbs down.. the video starts with an ambulance in peru.

the ambulance people look at an id and a no blood card in spanish.. quick flash away to now and a happy family of a couple with 2 young boys.

all good kids it collages their everyday life, all centered around theocratic activities.

problemaddict 2

Its simply meant to evoke emotional response. It isn't about making sense. It isn't about a lesson with meaning. What is the lesson here? If your life gets hard, don't give up on it? Don't blame Jehovah?

I'm not even certain what it is. But it will be on the big screen on Saturday.

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Medal of Valor given by Obama to JW Grandmother - Check her Lapel Pin

by Da.Furious in

this grandmother found the best way to advertise jw.org by wearing a huge lapel pin.. .

some of the comments are really interesting.. link to article:.

http://www.phillyvoice.com/obama-award-medal-valor-family-slain-philadelphia-police-officer-robert-wilson-iii-monday/.

problemaddict 2

The double think and strange reasoning is too much to bear.

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JWs in denial, so sad

by Simon in

i had a couple of jw sisters call at my door today.. they started with the bizarre "can we read you a scripture" and read about "death being no more" and asked what i thought of that.. i said it sounded like a mix of disney and dumb.. they then launched into how god was going to put an end to death and wasn't that wonderful?.

i said it would have been more wonderful if he'd not created death in the first place.. they thought man created death by disobeying so i questioned why god couldn't have just forgiven them.

apparently "because he loves us" is supposed to be a satisfactory answer to why he kills us.. i asked how loving it was to kill hundreds of thousands of children in tsunami's, disease and so on.. at this point, they gave up on the 'god is love' and switched to the bible being true no matter what because it was an old book and moses had written the first chapter (says the book).. when i suggested it really wasn't that old and that most of the bible myths were copies of older stories from before it was written they questioned if i studied the bible and theology.. then i told them i was brought up as a jw so knew it was all crap.. now it was game on, they immediately switched to play defence questioning why i'd left (and i think they'd already taken a step back away from "the evil" obviously emanating from me).. not much time to say much before they cut and run so i told them i'd left because i found out it was all based on lies and that the watchtower was corrupt and covered up things like child abuse.. oh no, you're thinking of the catholics one of them said (some disdain in how she said "catholics" as though "we're so much better than them").. "well, i challenge you to do a search for the australian royal commission and you'll see the testimony the watchtower leaders gave and the damning evidence that they covered up abuse and reported none of it to the police.".

problemaddict 2

I feel like a punk. The Spanish always come to my door, and there is some adorable kid with them. So I just say no thank you like a good little householder.

Of course......I'm also trying not to be disfellowshipped.

Lol.

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"Hope for what we do not see" - Review

by problemaddict 2 in

i give it 3 thumbs down.. the video starts with an ambulance in peru.

the ambulance people look at an id and a no blood card in spanish.. quick flash away to now and a happy family of a couple with 2 young boys.

all good kids it collages their everyday life, all centered around theocratic activities.

problemaddict 2

I give it 3 thumbs down.

The video starts with an ambulance in Peru. the ambulance people look at an ID and a no blood card in Spanish.

Quick flash away to now and a happy family of a couple with 2 young boys. All good kids it collages their everyday life, all centered around theocratic activities. The father walks with his own father. The older man says something about failing the mans brother. Its cryptic.

Grandpa picks up the kids from school one day, and there is an accident. the grandfather, and their youngest boy die.

The mans brother (clearly no longer a JW), misses the service and apologizes. But he comes out. After this, the father is laid off from work (after turning down a promotion because it would take him away from meetings), and then there is a tumor!

So now hes got debt, tumor, no kid, no dad, hes getting discouraged. His brother offers help, but says some snarky mess about him not being able to live in a prayer and fantasy world. He acknowledges his relationship with their father was strained because he didn't want to be a JW.

The guys tumor comes back. While he looks fine and seems good throughout, he tells the elders that visit they don't understand and he wants to die everyday waking up on the bathroom floor. This is not believable at all.

The father breaks down in front of the elders. Of course all the emotion is very surface. Muted almost. He has an old friend come to visit. Guy ends up helping him with his roof free of charge. they remember the good ole days and go for a walk. The guy reveals to all of us that he was serving in Peru and lost his wife. They both cry.

the dad finds strength in his faith, shares it with his family. Tumor/cancer gone. Reads scripture to the son. Apparently gets a new better job in a factory (old one closed down). Everyone is on the mend. Preaching to everyone as it closes.

the end

**The emotional tone was turned up here from the door. Lots of violin, sad music, imagery to conjure emotion in the viewer. Its well produced, and poorly acted which is kind of typical of these videos. The emotion from the people involved is not realistic however. Its very muted and unrealistic. I thought it was interesting that it was heavily suggested the friends wife in Peru dies due to not taking blood, but it was never directly stated. In the end everything is ok and there is no substance. Its just meant to make people cry.

Manipulative.......no surprises.

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Convention Releases 2016 available on JW.ORG

by Designer Stubble in

now available on jw.org the rc 2016 releases (all downloadable movies, no books)for a certainty god made him lord and christhttps://www.jw.org/finder?locale=en&pub=lrc&prefer=lang&srcid=sharehope for what we do not seehttps://www.jw.org/finder?locale=en&pub=dns&prefer=lang&srcid=shareoh jehovah...i trust in youhttps://www.jw.org/finder?locale=en&pub=tiy&prefer=lang&srcid=share

problemaddict 2

Ugh. The hope for what we do not see video is going to be a trip. It opens with an ambulance taking a JW with a blood card to the hospital. Lovely!

So much for not doubling down on blood. I'll watch and see what this mess is about.